Jeyes Fluid as weedkiller near wood?

[Eddy Bentley]

Hi,

Would any of you recommend or warn against using a suitable solution of
Jeyes Fluid to deter grass and weeds growing alongside wood?

A friend has suggested it would be better to use Jeyes than usual
weedkillers because Jeyes, he says, is oily and it will help preserve
the adjacent wood (by keeping moisture out of it).

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Eddy.

[®óñ© © ²°¹°-°³]

On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:53:08 GMT, Eddy Bentley

Post by Eddy Bentley
Hi,
Would any of you recommend or warn against using a suitable solution of
Jeyes Fluid to deter grass and weeds growing alongside wood?
A friend has suggested it would be better to use Jeyes than usual
weedkillers because Jeyes, he says, is oily and it will help preserve
the adjacent wood (by keeping moisture out of it).
Any thoughts?

Apart from being not recommended, not legal, dangerous to cats and
unlikely to do as you wish, I don't see a problem.

[Nick Maclaren]

In article <***@4ax.com>,
®óñ© © ²°¹°-°³ <***@spamall.com> writes:
|> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:53:08 GMT, Eddy Bentley
|> <***@removeALLbutRESTvirgin.net> wrote and included this (or
|> some of this):
|>
|> >Would any of you recommend or warn against using a suitable solution of
|> >Jeyes Fluid to deter grass and weeds growing alongside wood?
|> >
|> >A friend has suggested it would be better to use Jeyes than usual
|> >weedkillers because Jeyes, he says, is oily and it will help preserve
|> >the adjacent wood (by keeping moisture out of it).
|>
|> Apart from being not recommended, not legal, dangerous to cats and
|> unlikely to do as you wish, I don't see a problem.

Assuming that you don't mind spending more money than needed, and
causing minor medium-term pollution, of course.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

[Emrys Davies]

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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:53:08 GMT, Eddy Bentley

Post by Eddy Bentley
Hi,
Would any of you recommend or warn against using a suitable solution of
Jeyes Fluid to deter grass and weeds growing alongside wood?
A friend has suggested it would be better to use Jeyes than usual
weedkillers because Jeyes, he says, is oily and it will help preserve
the adjacent wood (by keeping moisture out of it).
Any thoughts?

Apart from being not recommended, not legal, dangerous to cats and
unlikely to do as you wish, I don't see a problem.
--
®óñ© © ²°¹°-°³

I definitely would not use Jeys Fluid. You could shield the wood from
weedkiller with newpaper, but I do not think that that is necessary
unless plants need protecting. Simply apply the weedkiller as per
instuctions on the container.

Regards,
Emrys Davies.

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Post by Emrys Davies

Post by ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°³
Apart from being not recommended, not legal, dangerous to cats and
unlikely to do as you wish, I don't see a problem.
--
®óñ© © ²°¹°-°³

I definitely would not use Jeys Fluid. You could shield the wood from
weedkiller with newpaper, but I do not think that that is necessary
unless plants need protecting. Simply apply the weedkiller as per
instuctions on the container.

But, but, the Jeyes Fluid container makes no reference to its possible
use as a weed killer.
It specifically states "Avoid contact of product with plantlife" and
"FOR USE ONLY AS A HOME & GARDEN DISINFECTANT"

[Robert (Plymouth)]

®óñ© © ²°¹°-°³ wrote:
:: On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:53:08 GMT, Eddy Bentley
:: <***@removeALLbutRESTvirgin.net> wrote and included this (or
:: some of this):
::
::: Hi,
:::
::: Would any of you recommend or warn against using a suitable
::: solution of Jeyes Fluid to deter grass and weeds growing alongside
::: wood?
:::
::: A friend has suggested it would be better to use Jeyes than usual
::: weedkillers because Jeyes, he says, is oily and it will help
::: preserve the adjacent wood (by keeping moisture out of it).
:::
::: Any thoughts?
::
:: Apart from being not recommended, not legal, dangerous to cats and
:: unlikely to do as you wish, I don't see a problem.
::
::
:: --
:: ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°³
My gran killed one of our apple trees with Jeyes Fluid many years ago so I
wouldn't use it

[old perennial]

Post by Eddy Bentley
Hi,
Would any of you recommend or warn against using a suitable solutio
of
Jeyes Fluid to deter grass and weeds growing alongside wood?
A friend has suggested it would be better to use Jeyes than usual
weedkillers because Jeyes, he says, is oily and it will help preserve
the adjacent wood (by keeping moisture out of it).
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Eddy.

Difficult to understand the application. Whats the problem with gras
and weeds near wood. The wood would have been better 'pressur
treated' with presevertive if its in contact with the ground. If th
wood is used as an edging then maybe lay some brick paving block
between the wood and the grass/weeds.

As others have said, Jeyes is used as a path cleaner and outdoo
disinfectant. Used for the right application its a good product. Th
stuff will burn leaves and plants though if it lands on them. I
stinks too. When I disinfect my greenhouse with it I use a superspra
hose end sprayer so I dont have to touch it. The stink stays aroun
for quite qa while. For anyone wantingto use Jees to wash out thei
greenhouse I can recommend this sprayer. It dilutes as you spray s
you dont contaminate a buckets and you can stay outside while you spra
inside. It connects to a hosepipe like a miraclegrow but you can us
anything with it. www.superspray.co.u


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old perennial

[Eddy Bentley]

Well, 'twas an old (and seemingly very wise) farmer who told me I should
use Jeyes as a weedkiller. And I must say I'm a little confused. Some
people have replied attesting to its ability to kill plants/weeds, even
an apple tree, so it would seem to be as effective as sodium chlorate or
various other weedkillers. The idea a chum added to this of the old
farmer is that the oiliness, or water-pellancy, in Jeyes would help
preserve the wood while killing off the adjacent line of grasses which
cover the wood and keep it moist so promoting rot. I thought it wise to
ask partly because when I was a little lad and the teachers had us
cleaning out the toilets at the end of every day we used Jeyes diluted
with water and I remember how well it mixed, turning the water milky.
So how could it be water-repellant, I wondered.

Eddy.

[K]

Post by Eddy Bentley
I thought it wise to
ask partly because when I was a little lad and the teachers had us
cleaning out the toilets at the end of every day we used Jeyes diluted
with water and I remember how well it mixed, turning the water milky.
So how could it be water-repellant, I wondered.

The milkiness is probably because it forms an emulsion, rather like
salad dressing. Oil on its own repels water, but if you mix it up
vigorously with water, the oil and water droplets get dispersed amongst
each other.

[Eddy Bentley]

Post by K
The milkiness is probably because it forms an emulsion, rather like
salad dressing. Oil on its own repels water, but if you mix it up
vigorously with water, the oil and water droplets get dispersed amongst
each other.

Thanks, Kay. So would that mean then that because Jeyes so easily forms
an emulsion that it's not going to be much good at repelling moisture
and wetness from exposed wood and I might as well forget using it near
wood for that reason?

Eddy.

[K]

Post by Eddy Bentley

Post by K
The milkiness is probably because it forms an emulsion, rather like
salad dressing. Oil on its own repels water, but if you mix it up
vigorously with water, the oil and water droplets get dispersed amongst
each other.

Thanks, Kay. So would that mean then that because Jeyes so easily forms
an emulsion that it's not going to be much good at repelling moisture
and wetness from exposed wood and I might as well forget using it near
wood for that reason?

No, not necessarily. As I said, oil and water can form an emulsion (as
in salad dressing) but oil on its own will repel water - eg if you oil a
cast iron frying pan you will protect it from rust.

[John McMillan]

Post by K

Post by Eddy Bentley

Post by K
The milkiness is probably because it forms an emulsion, rather like
salad dressing. Oil on its own repels water, but if you mix it up
vigorously with water, the oil and water droplets get dispersed amongst
each other.

Thanks, Kay. So would that mean then that because Jeyes so easily forms
an emulsion that it's not going to be much good at repelling moisture
and wetness from exposed wood and I might as well forget using it near
wood for that reason?

No, not necessarily. As I said, oil and water can form an emulsion (as
in salad dressing) but oil on its own will repel water - eg if you oil a
cast iron frying pan you will protect it from rust.

Hmm,
Jeyes fluid started life as some sort of coal-tar derivative and
contained a good deal of carbolic acid or phenol as it is better known.
Its a very good biocide, so thats why it is used as a disinfectant
and why it worked as a weed killer etc etc.
These days phenol is considered unacceptable so I think they've
changed the recipe a bit. Old advice as to its uses may no longer
be applicable.
There's a "material safety data sheet" here
http://www.jeyesprofessional.co.uk/_originals%5CCoshh%20Sheets%5C511160%2
0Jeyes%20Fluid%201L_JP_SDSP-1.pdf
There's some chlorinated cresol and some 'tar acid' as the biocides, and
I don't imagine terpineol is good for life-forms either. There's also
a bit of isopropyl alcohol. The hazardous bits only amount to maximum
40% of the product so there's something else in there too. Water
and detergent or soap jump to mind. It says it forms an emulsion
and its observed to so I guess there is an emulsifier in there.
While Kay's oil-water/vinegar mix will form an emulsion, it is unstable
unless emulsifiers are added. Like mustard powder and egg in the
mayonnaise. Because emulsifiers are already in the Jeyes
fluid I wouldn't reckon it would make as good a wood preservative
as a mix of tar-oils in solvent without emulsifier (creosote).

According to the RHS, the use of jeyes fluid as a soil steriliser
was banned in 2003.
http://www.rhs.org.uk/learning/publications/pubs/garden0503/pesticides2.a
sp
It doesn't mention its use as a weedkiller or wood preservative, mainly
I suspect because there are better products for both applications.

[John Vanini]

Hi Eddy,



May I suggest you go to Jeyes website? There they say nothing about being
illegal, killing cats, or any other major problems.



It was an old disinfectant that my father and grandfather used to use on
trees to kill certain pests and around the chicken coops. I've used it as a
preservative on wood and as a disinfectant on my damson tree - among others.



The only problem that I have knowledge of is that if it's used around
growing crops they all have a tendency to taste like Jeyes Fluid - even
onions!!!!



It doesn't say it can be used as a weed killer but if you spill it on any
plant (as I've found out, to my cost) it will kill it though it depends on
the strength and the amount used and, I suppose, the weed - so take care!



The following is what the Jeyes website says about it:



"The Jeyes Fluid range is now bigger than ever, providing effective cleaning
solutions for every aspect of your outdoor cleaning routine. Each cleaning
formulation is especially designed for specific outdoor cleaning tasks.



The original Jeyes Fluid disinfectant is still a firm favourite. This iconic
brand with origins in the 19th Century is favoured by many households for
its versatility and even kills the Bird Flu H5N1 virus.



Jeyes Fluid can be used for a multitude of outdoor cleaning tasks, from
neutralising odours and killing bacteria in and around drains, to
disinfecting after pet fouling or clearing up wild and domestic bird mess.
It is also perfect for clearing fungi, mould and algae from paths, driveways
and patios as well as cleaning and disinfecting pots prior to planting.
Disinfects hutches and kennels, pots and planters and is ideal for cleaning
greenhouses.



Regards,



John

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Post by Eddy Bentley
Hi,
Would any of you recommend or warn against using a suitable solution of
Jeyes Fluid to deter grass and weeds growing alongside wood?
A friend has suggested it would be better to use Jeyes than usual
weedkillers because Jeyes, he says, is oily and it will help preserve
the adjacent wood (by keeping moisture out of it).
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Eddy.

[®óñ© © ²°¹°-°³]

On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:55:52 GMT, "John Vanini"

Post by John Vanini
Hi Eddy,
May I suggest you go to Jeyes website? There they say nothing about being
illegal, killing cats, or any other major problems.

Well they wouldn't would they?

By 2003 regulations, its use is strictly regulated.

It is basically licenced only for sterilisation of hard surfaces
(Pots, glass, tools, drains, greenhouses etc).

Obviously it will kill weeds if used strong enough. And so will
sulphuric acid come to that, but it doesn't mean that it's recommended
or licensed.

I will say that every December, I thoroughly clean my internal and
external greenhouse glass with Jeyes fluid at the recommended strength
(and inevitably, the soil gets a considerable drenching at the same
time as do all the tomato canes if I am intending to reuse them)
I have been using the same soil in the greenhouse for about 10 years,
topped up annually with lots of 6X fertiliser and, touch wood, I don't
at the moment have a problem with blight, viruses etc.
It may be interesting to note that despite thoroughly soaking the soil
with fairly strongly diluted Jeyes fluid, I always get a substantial
crop of self seeded tomato plants where fruit has fallen in the
previous season. I conclude the Jeyes sterilises soil against disease
but has absolutely no effect on tomato (and weed) seeds

Post by John Vanini
It doesn't say it can be used as a weed killer but if you spill it on any
plant (as I've found out, to my cost) it will kill it though it depends on
the strength and the amount used and, I suppose, the weed - so take care!

[John Vanini]

Hi Eddy,

Just as a matter of interest (and this isn't meant to be rude) why don't you
buy a good wood preservative and a good weedkiller?

As a topic, it's been very interesting but I just wondered!!! No offence -
honest!

Regards,

John

Post by Eddy Bentley
Hi,
Would any of you recommend or warn against using a suitable solution of
Jeyes Fluid to deter grass and weeds growing alongside wood?
A friend has suggested it would be better to use Jeyes than usual
weedkillers because Jeyes, he says, is oily and it will help preserve
the adjacent wood (by keeping moisture out of it).
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Eddy.

[Martin]

Post by John Vanini
Hi Eddy,
Just as a matter of interest (and this isn't meant to be rude) why don't you
buy a good wood preservative and a good weedkiller?
As a topic, it's been very interesting but I just wondered!!! No offence -
honest!

We don't want any blindingly obvious solutions here, and definitely not while
rhubarb leaves are being boiled.

[Eddy Bentley]

Post by John Vanini
why don't you
buy a good wood preservative and a good weedkiller?

Hi, John. No offence taken. I'm much guided by economy. I have good
wood preservative and excellent weedkiller, but if it were true I could
kill two birds with one stone I would. However, it seems that Jeyes
won't help me do that, as was suggested to me.

Eddy.

[John Vanini]

No problem! Just thought I'd ask! Thanks for your reply. It makes sense to
me as I'm always trying to economise.

I hate throwing anything away in the belief that it will come in handy one
day. The only problem is that, when I need it, I probably won't be able to
find it becaue of all the junk I've collected.

I've also learned something from this discussion - if it's only that someone
is boiling rhubarb leaves, apparently, and I'm talking the blindingly
obvious - which will come as no surprise to my wife!

Best of luck.

Kindest regards to you and all in the group,

John
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Post by Eddy Bentley

Post by John Vanini
why don't you
buy a good wood preservative and a good weedkiller?

Hi, John. No offence taken. I'm much guided by economy. I have good
wood preservative and excellent weedkiller, but if it were true I could
kill two birds with one stone I would. However, it seems that Jeyes
won't help me do that, as was suggested to me.
Eddy.