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Gibberellic acid
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Chris Hogg
2024-12-28 10:04:28 UTC
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I have read that soaking in gibberellic acid is useful in promoting
the germination of seeds that are otherwise reluctant to germinate.

Does anyone have any experience of this technique. If so, how
successful was it, and what concentration should be used?
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Chris

Gardening in West Cornwall, very mild, sheltered
from the West, but open to the North and East.
Jeff Layman
2024-12-28 10:54:17 UTC
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Post by Chris Hogg
I have read that soaking in gibberellic acid is useful in promoting
the germination of seeds that are otherwise reluctant to germinate.
Does anyone have any experience of this technique. If so, how
successful was it, and what concentration should be used?
Five years ago I ordered some gibberellic acid from Amazon as "Terrarum
20mL Gibberellin 920 Gibberellic Acid Solution Agriculture Plant Growth
Regulator ". It came as a bottle of unknown strength, with a label
entirely in Chinese! The link I had at the time is no longer valid, but
this looks very similar:
<https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gibberellic-920-Regulator-Production-Increasing/dp/B0D267KM7T>

In the end, without any information other than it would make about 300L
of foliar spray for growth promotion, I diluted it 1:10000 and tried it
on some "difficult" plants seeds from Australia. Of the 20 species, only
one germinated, so it really wasn't much use.
(NB. There was no English of any sort in the original page info. The "1
ml + 0.5kg (0.5 L) warter (sic) Spray" in the new one suggests that it's
either a lot weaker than mine was or I was using it 20x more dilute than
I should have.)

You might be better off trying a dilute solution of hydrogen peroxide,
perhaps 0.5 - 1%. It's a lot easier to obtain and should be cheaper.
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Jeff
N_Cook
2024-12-28 15:27:28 UTC
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Post by Chris Hogg
I have read that soaking in gibberellic acid is useful in promoting
the germination of seeds that are otherwise reluctant to germinate.
Does anyone have any experience of this technique. If so, how
successful was it, and what concentration should be used?
Isn't the first requirement, to simulate the " straticfication" required
to simulate their natural environment
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Nick Maclaren
2024-12-28 18:39:19 UTC
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Post by N_Cook
Post by Chris Hogg
I have read that soaking in gibberellic acid is useful in promoting
the germination of seeds that are otherwise reluctant to germinate.
Does anyone have any experience of this technique. If so, how
successful was it, and what concentration should be used?
Isn't the first requirement, to simulate the " straticfication" required
to simulate their natural environment
It depends on the seed. Some require stratification, but not as many
as you might think, and the preferred conditions are so various as to
be indescribable in a short post! But the first site looks as if the
author has a clue and the second is academic.

https://www.gardenmyths.com/ga3-gibberellic-acid-speeds-up-seed-germination/

https://www.uaf.edu/afes/places/gbg/research/files/pdfs/2011.-Holloway.-Note-43.GA_.pdf

You probably don't want to read this one :-)

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4002599/


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Chris Hogg
2024-12-29 08:24:44 UTC
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Thanks for the replies.

I want to try germinating black mulberry, Morus nigra. I came across a
small tree in full fruit, many years ago. The fruits are like
loganberries, very black and absolutely delicious, but very staining
if you get the juice on your hands or clothing, IIRC.

Since posting here, I've done a bit more research on how to germinate
the seed, and found this: 'Breaking seed dormancy in Black Mulberry',
https://abcbot.pl/pdf/47_2/023-26.pdf which looked on the nail. I got
some gibberellic acid solution from the Amazon link Jeff supplied, and
as he says, everything is in Chinese. No way of knowing what
concentration it is. The only vaguely understandable thing was a
little label on the cap which gives a date 2023/06/12, but whether
that's a manufacturing date or a 'best before' date, and whether the
format is YYYY/MM/DD or YYYY,DD/MM, I've no way of knowing at the
moment. Hang on, Google tells me that China mostly uses YYYY/MM/DD, so
that's at least one uncertainty removed.

I do know a chap that I see about once a week, who was born in Hong
Kong, but whether his family came to the UK before or after he learnt
to read, I'll have to ask him. He'll certainly need good eyesight -
the printing on the bottle is tiny!

In order to get at least a rough idea of solids content of the
brownish liquid in the bottle, I measured it by weighing a few drops
(I have a reasonably accurate digital scale, 0-500g to 2 decimal
places, and a set of precision calibration weights, so I was fairly
confident in the accuracy of the scales), and then gently evaporating
the drops to dryness. It turned out to be about 60% weight/weight.

(If that's approximately correct and the bottles are all much the same
concentration, Jeff I think you made up your solution too weak.)

I shall use that figure to make up a few hundred mls of soaking
solution at say 1000 mg/litre. If it's not exactly correct, it won't
matter too much anyway, as there seems plenty of leeway in the
concentration to use, as long as it's not too strong. Soak the seed
for 24 four hours, strain off, rinse off the excess acid, mix the
seeds into a poly bag of damp peaty compost and stratify by storing in
the fridge at about 4°C for three months, then put in my propagator at
25°C as per that article, and see what happens (if anything!). But I
shan't use all my seed, just in case nothing happens, so I can try
something else, peroxide perhaps, or stratification alone.
--
Chris

Gardening in West Cornwall, very mild, sheltered
from the West, but open to the North and East.
Jeff Layman
2024-12-29 09:07:13 UTC
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Post by Chris Hogg
Thanks for the replies.
I want to try germinating black mulberry, Morus nigra. I came across a
small tree in full fruit, many years ago. The fruits are like
loganberries, very black and absolutely delicious, but very staining
if you get the juice on your hands or clothing, IIRC.
Since posting here, I've done a bit more research on how to germinate
the seed, and found this: 'Breaking seed dormancy in Black Mulberry',
https://abcbot.pl/pdf/47_2/023-26.pdf which looked on the nail. I got
some gibberellic acid solution from the Amazon link Jeff supplied, and
as he says, everything is in Chinese. No way of knowing what
concentration it is. The only vaguely understandable thing was a
little label on the cap which gives a date 2023/06/12, but whether
that's a manufacturing date or a 'best before' date, and whether the
format is YYYY/MM/DD or YYYY,DD/MM, I've no way of knowing at the
moment. Hang on, Google tells me that China mostly uses YYYY/MM/DD, so
that's at least one uncertainty removed.
I do know a chap that I see about once a week, who was born in Hong
Kong, but whether his family came to the UK before or after he learnt
to read, I'll have to ask him. He'll certainly need good eyesight -
the printing on the bottle is tiny!
If you have a mobile phone or a camera with a macro facility you can try
what I did. Take a photo - or several - of the Chinese text and drag and
drop the image files of the Chinese text here
<https://translate.google.co.uk/?sl=auto&tl=en&op=images>. I was
surprised that it worked really well. Perhaps the info on the bottles
now includes the concentration.
Post by Chris Hogg
In order to get at least a rough idea of solids content of the
brownish liquid in the bottle, I measured it by weighing a few drops
(I have a reasonably accurate digital scale, 0-500g to 2 decimal
places, and a set of precision calibration weights, so I was fairly
confident in the accuracy of the scales), and then gently evaporating
the drops to dryness. It turned out to be about 60% weight/weight.
(If that's approximately correct and the bottles are all much the same
concentration, Jeff I think you made up your solution too weak.)
You're probably right. I see there are quite a few suppliers on eBay and
other places such as
<https://apcpure.com/product/gibberellic-acid-90/GPC2925-1GM>. They
aren't too expensive so if the Amazon stuff doesn't work it might be
worth trying a different source.
--
Jeff
Chris Hogg
2024-12-29 10:34:10 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:07:13 +0000, Jeff Layman <***@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
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Post by Jeff Layman
If you have a mobile phone or a camera with a macro facility you can try
what I did. Take a photo - or several - of the Chinese text and drag and
drop the image files of the Chinese text here
<https://translate.google.co.uk/?sl=auto&tl=en&op=images>. I was
surprised that it worked really well. Perhaps the info on the bottles
now includes the concentration.
Post by Chris Hogg
(If that's approximately correct and the bottles are all much the same
concentration, Jeff I think you made up your solution too weak.)
You're probably right. I see there are quite a few suppliers on eBay and
other places such as
<https://apcpure.com/product/gibberellic-acid-90/GPC2925-1GM>. They
aren't too expensive so if the Amazon stuff doesn't work it might be
worth trying a different source.
I was wondering about some sort of on-line translation. I'll give that
a try. As you say, Gibberellic acid is also available as a dry powder
for not many shekels. At least that removes the uncertainty of making
up a 1000mg/litre solution.
--
Chris

Gardening in West Cornwall, very mild, sheltered
from the West, but open to the North and East.
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